Chapter 261: Born question, born hatred

Previous Chapter l Next ChapterBefore Lorel existed as an union, there was a guild called ‘Apple’ that had unparalleled power in this land.

Whether this is true or false, this existence called Apple that was made up of a few elites was supposedly the model for the Adventurer Guild.

This part is probably the result of a mixture of various stories.

The Adventurer Guild is something that was created by Root, and the origin of it was his first husband.

If I remember correctly, it was created when he was involved with Elysion?

…Well, that’s only supposing Root isn’t lying at all.

In his case, he probably has a massive amount of truths he hasn’t spoken about, so I can’t trust him at all.

But if we base trust on that, who knows how much I can actually trust Shougetsu-san about what he is saying of Apple and Rokuya-san.

After all, the ‘adventurers of origin’ are words that denote the members of Apple. Even if you have met with people that have the same name, it is hard to believe that they are the same people.

In terms of how it feels, it would be like…on the same level as Momotaro is to japanese people.

Aznoval, Rokuya, Ginebia, Haku Mokuren, Hitsuna; it was formed with around 10 people, and their names are absurdly popular.

I heard there’s a lot of epics and anecdotes of them.

I was told that Rokuya-san has left numerous stories of being a chivalrous thief as an assassin.

“It is incredibly hard to believe that the said person is still alive though…” (Tomoe)

Tomoe’s comment is natural.

Hyumans don’t live that long.

When you reach a longevity on the level of Root, it is already to the point that you would question if they are immortal.

“Even if you tell me that he had the same age and appearance as the time when this Shougetsu-san over here received his training, its reliability is weak-desu wa.” (Mio)

Seems like the perception of Mio didn’t pick up much.

That’s true.

It would be more believable if I was told that the name Rokuya was being inherited every generation.

“Haku Mokuren and Ginebia…” (Iroha)

Iroha-chan seems to be groaning.

Looks like what Shougetsu-san said just now wasn’t something he has told her before.

Apparently, she was busy with politics and learning things.

Simply means that nobles have it hard in their own way.

Having a fiance at her age is already amazing.

Even though she is at the age where a primary schooler knapsack would still suit her.

“Apple huh. Lorel really is a country that has a lot of stories that don’t circulate to other countries.” (Makoto)

The Wise are the model example, but aside from that, I feel like this country is pretty secretive towards other countries.

Once you enter, the talks about it can be easily picked up, so I feel like it is a bit different from being secretive though.

Apple, the adventurers of origin, and then, there’s the reverence towards a dragon that’s not Doma, but one that’s name is Futsu.

It is truly a mysterious citizen nature.

“I truly have not met Rokuya-sama for several decades, but he said to go down till the 10th floor by tomorrow. It seems like his absurdities are still going strong…no, it has grown stronger with time. Hm, but his appearance was the same as in the past.” (Shougetsu)

Shougetsu-san has been looking nostalgic since a while ago as he reminisced Rokuya’s image.

As long as I am not kidnapped by Alt floors, we can reach the 10th floor by tomorrow.

That’s not a big deal, and if that’s his challenge, it overlaps with our original objective anyways.

Absolutely no problems at all.

“Hokuto, can you construct a route that reaches till the 10th floor?” (Makoto)

I once again confirm with Hokuto who has been the number one person looking after the map.

And in reality, the 10th floor must have several different types as well, and there would be no point if we can’t go lower than the 10th floor after that.

In other words, it would be best if it is a 10th floor that has good prospects of continuing onto the 20th floor.

“Yeah, there’s no problems. That grand labyrinth has a troublesome structure where the number of teleport formations and the amount of types in that floor increase the lower you go and it becomes more complex as well, but…there’s a certain tendency it inclines to that can be used as reference.” (Hokuto)

The first floor, Entrance, was crazy spacious place, but according to the Arke’s lecture on the labyrinth that even I can understand, the amount of floor types from the 2nd floor on increase steadily.

It is certainly true that if I look at Garden and the Alt floor that followed after, Entrance felt more spacious.

“Continue.” (Makoto)

“Yes, Waka-sama. Putting it plain, the higher the floor’s difficulty, the higher the possibilities of that floor to continue lower. If we take into consideration the words of that Rokuya person, it would be more likely to throw us into the Alt floors if we were to pass those said floors fast.” (Hokuto)

I see.

The more difficult the floor is the more likely it is that it will lead to lower levels.

Since we have to reach the 10th floor in one day, I thought that being abducted by the Alt floors would be pretty troublesome so I enquired about it, but…Rokuya-san instantly said he would turn them off.

With those words into consideration, Hokuto had deduced the concrete conditions of being thrown into an Alt floor.

Yeah, I didn’t read it that far in.

It seems like this time around we will be able to ignore them, so let’s just be happy about it.

I think that’s fine, yeah.

“Making a comparison of difficulties of each floor types, as long as you go down the most dangerous floor marked in the map, you will be able to definitely find the teleport formation for the next most dangerous floor. Since we haven’t tested it yet, it will stay as a hypothesis, but I think it is plenty worth to try in tomorrow’s plan.” (Hokuto)

“Right. Then you are saying that we can continue on in the same route as today, and as long as we choose the most dangerous ones, it would be less likely to reach a dead end. What do you think, Tomoe, Mio? I am in favor of Hokuto’s proposal.” (Makoto)

“If it’s something that Waka has decided on, there’s no objections.” (Tomoe)

“Same here. If Hokuto has proved himself useful, it is an honor-desu wa.” (Mio)

“That’s great.” (Makoto)

From tomorrow on, there’s no worries of ending up alone, and we have established a route already, so I feel like we can advance to the 10th floor.

…No, I should head for even higher heights instead of being satisfied with only that.

The decision of which ones are the most dangerous floors can be done by Tomoe, Mio, and I.

We will probably experience several dead ends even with that.

There’s no need to waste time.

If possible, I want to return before an urgent message comes from Tsige after all.

“Hm? What’s wrong, Iroha-chan?” (Makoto)

I look at Iroha-chan who nervously lifted her hand.

“I probably have met two of those Adventurers of Origin-desu.” (Iroha)


“When I was betrayed by the adventurers I left together from town, I was saved by this person with a dancer-looking outfit named Haku Mokuren and a woman with a foreign country’s priest outfit named Ginebia.” (Iroha)

“…Princess… By the way, do you remember any other outward traits of those two aside from that?” (Yuduki)

Yuduki-san who has been silent up until now, opened her eyes wide when she heard the words of Iroha-chan, and asks her more about their outward appearance.

A dancer and a priest.

Rokuya-san was an assassin.

I wonder what kind of party were the Adventurers of Origin.

“The two of them have silver hair; Haku-san is cheerful and refreshing, but a graceful woman. Ginebia-san is prudent, composed, and a kind woman. Both of them looked like they got along incredibly well, and they called each other partner. Both were adult women.” (Iroha)

A dancer and a priest calling each other partners.

It is a grouping I wouldn’t be able to picture well.

Leaving aside the girl called Ginebia, I feel like the cheerful and refreshing part of Haku doesn’t coexist well with the trait of being graceful.

“I have not met those two, but it is certainly true that their traits are the same as the ones from the Ginebia-sama and the Haku Mokuren-sama from stories.” (Shougetsu)

“Yeah, also…it matches too well with the Haku Mokuren-sama and Ginebia-sama that saved my homeland 18 years ago.” (Yuduki)

“To think that the princess had met with them, moreover, you were saved by them.” (Shougetsu)

Shougetsu-san and Yuduki-san seem to be pondering something.

However, a great amount of question marks were floating over my head.

I was thinking: ‘Isn’t 18 years ago pretty recent?’.

They were talking about it as if that were something normal, and no one is retorting to that. What’s going on?

Is it really a succession of names?

“Uhm, I don’t understand how people that appear in fairy tales are able to appear 18 years ago though.” (Makoto)

I go ahead and ask.

“Ah, right. I haven’t spoken everything about that topic yet. To tell you the truth, the people of Apple continue to appear every now and then in Lorel’s history. Always, even in the present day.” (Shougetsu)

“They continue appearing in history? Always?” (Makoto)

“There hasn’t been any records these decade, but it is just as said. I have not spoken much about it to others and it isn’t an incident that has much to do with history, but the most recent records of Rokuya-sama is probably when I was trained by Rokuya-sama around 50 years ago.” (Shougetsu)


I don’t understand even more.

Are they really immortal?

“Sometimes, when there’s some sort of crisis, they declare their names as people of Apple and cooperate in resolving the matter without having any feelings of self-interest and once again leave. For some reason, it is only in this country. It is one of the mysteries in Lorel.” (Shougetsu)

“And you are saying their names and appearances are always the same?” (Makoto)

Everyone from the Lorel group nod except for Iroha-chan.

They don’t show any signs of joking. Instead, I sense a feeling that’s close to worship from them.


Isn’t this already in the boundaries of horror?

“What a strange story-ja no. And they are calling themselves the ‘Adventurers of Origin’?” (Tomoe)

“No, that’s not it, Tomoe-dono. They don’t call themselves in that way. It is just that, from the information we have of them, we decided on calling them that way on our own volition.” (Shougetsu)

“…What do you mean by that-ja?” (Tomoe)

“For example; the leader of Apple, Aznoval-sama, was a former swordsman; Rokuya-sama who you met not that long ago, was a former thief; the dancer Haku Mokuren-sama was a former archer; Ginebia-sama was a former apprentice priest; the blacksmith Black Smith had a history of being a merchant in the past.” (Shougetsu)

“Fumu, and?” (Tomoe)

“The present jobs of the adventurers, it is said that the basic form of those jobs and the ideas of those were taken as a reference from them, and in truth, that’s exactly how it is…and there’s not a single one of the Apple people affiliated with the adventurer guild.” (Shougetsu)

“…Hoh. It is true that it is interesting…but that’s on the same level as saying ‘which one was first, the chicken or the egg?’ kind of thing, isn’t it?” (Tomoe)

“Probably. However, leaving aside things like a swordsman to a knight, and an ascetic practitioner into a priest; why is it that a thief grows into being an assassin, and why is it that an archer opens the path to being a dancer? Why is it that you can’t get the smithing skills unless you are a merchant? We consider that the adventurer guild used the brave people of Apple as a cornerstone.” (Shougetsu)

“…I see. Hearing that, it can serve as a decent explanation, and it would be pointless to hear all of it. But…it might be possible they used them as reference. The Adventurer Guild is not something that Root would be able to create from the memories of only one person after all. And it is not like he can do the same things as me anyways.” (Tomoe)

Tomoe does a short sigh and begins thinking about something else, she turns her view away from Shougetsu-san.

Shougetsu-san looked like he wanted to continue speaking, and I ended up locking eyes with him.

Well, it seems to be interesting, so let’s listen for a bit more.

“At present, in order to become a holy knight, you can’t simply be registered in the adventurer guild and turn from a swordsman into a knight, you also have to pile up a certain amount of religious experience. It would be too late by the time you are a knight, and conversely, if a priest that has gathered enough religious experience tries to learn the way of the sword, they wouldn’t be able to become holy knights. This is because the job branching alignments are different. That’s what they have told us.” (Shougetsu)

“The job branching…” (Makoto)

I remember the online games I played at Japan.

Like high ranked jobs and branching jobs.

It is truly that way of thinking.

Swordsman to knight or holy knight; ascetic apprentice to monk or priest.

In those cases, no matter how much an ascetic apprentice learns the sword, that person won’t be able to become a holy knight.

They wouldn’t be able to equip a sword to begin with.

But in reality, you should have the freedom to decide if you want to begin learning the sword or endeavour in religion. Whichever the origin, you should be able to become a holy knight. That’s what I think.

But that’s not the case in this world, moreover, an organization called Apple gave an explanation with words like ‘job branching’, and in truth, there’s a strange one way path in the jobs.

And then, there’s the human-loving Root.

Is that how it is?

“But well. Haku Mokuren is called a dancer, but her job is actually Muse Dancer; it is a job that the adventurer guild has not been able to confirm, an unknown job. Ginebia-sama’s job is similar in that sense, its name is Over Mash; the other members are also the same, and are said to possess incredible power.” (Shougetsu)

Yeah, it is true that I have never heard about those.

Or more like, Ginebia-san is a priest, right?

Her job doesn’t give me the image of praying though. Must be my imagination.

Iroha-chan did say that she is composed and kind after all.

“In that case, the abnormal presence of that Rokuya person, I should consider it a special skill? That technique that was on the level of changing perception itself. It was on a level I wanted to make it my own though.” (Mio)

Mio talks about that stealth of Rokuya-san.

Don’t joke around.

Please let it be a super special rare unique skill.

An ultimate attack would be perfect.

With only the imitation of Reft’s reflect ability, Shiki and Tamaki are already in tears.

“Okay! Anyways, I will be counting on everyone to work hard in the grand labyrinth tomorrow! And so, I won’t be able to take much care of you guys, so Shougetsu-san’s group, be careful. The whole town reeks of danger after all.” (Makoto)

“I will keep it to just the minimum information gathering. It is embarrassing to say, but we still haven’t decided on our plan yet.” (Shougetsu)

“Let’s at least be grateful that the hotel is safe.” (Makoto)

“That’s true.”

“Then, time to sleep—” (Makoto)

“It is obviously fine for us to be first to the bath, right Shougetsu?” (Tomoe)


This pattern again?

“W-Well, of course. We are in your care after all.” (Shougetsu)

“Good. Then, Waka.” (Tomoe)

“Let’s go, Waka-sama. We will be missing Iroha, so…Shii, you come. I will allow it.” (Mio)


“M-M-M-Me?!” (Shii)

Being suddenly thrown that, Shii fell into panick.

And I raised the white flag.

We two, who were being carried by Tomoe and Mio, were taken to the bath.

But Shii, if it were Eris who you respect so much, she would say ‘Yes, sir!’ without a single shred of hesitation.

As I thought, your roots are more similar to those of Akua.


“That face…did it not work, Rokuya-san?”

“Sorry there! He was an interesting guy, you know? You definitely gotta meet him! I have turned the Alt floors off for a few days, so take care of that, okay?!” (Rokuya)

“O-Off. No well, I’m okay with that though. Trying to seriously manage them is a pain anyways.”

20th floor of the grand labyrinth.

For the people living there, this place has been called Rosegarden.

First floor Entrance, tenth floor Palace, and the twentieth floor Rosegarden.

These floors are floors that only have one type.

The light is taken in from the outside with a special method, so those floors are bright.

By utilizing this, you can do farming and also hunting.

That’s right. Rosegarden has no need for economic activity, it is completely self-sufficient.

If you wanted to, you would be able to continue living without influencing the world at all.

At a section of it, at the deep parts of the residential area, Rokuya was talking with someone.

“No well, I also think it is interesting. It has been a while since that has happened. But you know, at this time…it is just…”

“Even though he is a hyuman, he possesses power that surpasses that of humans. A pure breed Elf, a Superior Dragon and the Black Calamity disguised as hyumans, a child of the calamity, Iori’s favorite sword, and an Elder Dwarf. On top of that, one princess of Kannaoi.” (Rokuya)

“…Is this the feeling of a super big event?”

“I have stopped joking about those kind of things, but…well, in the past, I would have said that. The people above ground are in that state after all.” (Rokuya)

“More than half of that is because of the hero, right? If that’s the case, I am somewhat responsible for it, so I kind of want to do something about it though.”

The tone of the man that was talking about his connection with the hero was somewhat heavy.

“…What’s with that tone?” (Rokuya)

“If he is neutral, I would want to meet him, seriously. My standing right now is a bit complicated. Putting it plainly, if I were to meet Raidou, there’s one girl who would snap.”

“…I have not heard anything about that though.” (Rokuya)

Rokuya narrows his eyes at the words of the man.

From what Rokuya knows, the Kuzunoha Company and their employees have no bad connections with the members here.

“Right. It seems like the habitual actions of Raidou are not that good. Just like me.”

“It didn’t look that way to me.” (Rokuya)

“Do you know Pione from Rosegarden?”

“If I remember correctly, I spoke with her a few times. She was a diligent girl.” (Rokuya)

Rokuya digs out the memory of a girl.

He met her recently; a bright, eager about everything, and an adventurer that has worked hard.

She entered the mercenary group, and has begun fitting into the residents of the 20th floor.

His impression of her was good.

“Yeah, her reputation around was good as well. Her ability was also decent. That girl’s close friend…got her head crushed by Raidou. Not that long ago.”

“…Oh. And that has been known by this Pione girl?” (Rokuya)

“That’s right. Pione herself brought that girl here, and asked me to release the charm of the Empire’s hero from her. And yet…she escaped in the middle together with her companions. The event with Raidou happened while Pione was in the middle of searching for them.”


“Aside from the person herself, her other two companions were killed in an instant as well. Ah, the other two weren’t close enough to be called friends, they were more like acquaintances. Right now, Pione is…”

“Are you saying, not only will they not talk, they will end up fighting?” (Rokuya)

“I won’t ask for the assistance of the people of Apple, and I also don’t have the authority for that anyways. It will probably turn out as you say. We are at home here and the Marikosans have increased a lot in numbers. On top of that, Picnic Rosegarden and I will be meeting the enemy. I am sorry for them but…we won’t lose.”

“Are you and the Marikosans going to mobilize as well?” (Rokuya)

“When I was resting here, Pione took care of me after all. I am sorry for Raidou, but I will be taking her side.”

The words were said lightly, but it didn’t sound like a joke.

Even after hearing the battle force that Raidou possesses, he declared that he will be opposing Raidou.

“This must be what people call ‘Fate’.” (Rokuya)

“It might be exactly that. If I didn’t know her, this wouldn’t have happened.”

“…But this is interesting!” (Rokuya)


“Wouldn’t that mean I will be able to see something incredibly interesting?! I don’t know about the others, but I will…right, let’s take the disadvantageous side. Hahaha!” (Rokuya)

“You say that with such ease.”

“I have been in worse situations than these after all. Also, I know about you, Raidou, and Vivi. Well, I don’t know much about Raidou though. But I can somewhat tell, you know. That things will settle somewhat harmoniously.” (Rokuya)

“You are saying things similar to Azu-san. Could it be, you have been influenced by that person? I have my hands full with just one, so please spare me more.”

“Hahahaha!! You really have your way with words huh. But I feel the same way!” (Rokuya)

A conversation that Raidou wouldn’t find amusing at all was being exchanged at the deepest parts of the grand labyrinth.

He will probably only notice that he was caught in an extra-large trap by the time he meets with his negotiation target who has already hardened their forces to attack.

The future of the Kuzunoha Company’s grand labyrinth exploration is still unclear.

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294 thoughts on “Chapter 261: Born question, born hatred

    1. Anyway do refresh me
      The accident they talking about is the assassin they met evenly right?
      Wasn’t they just 2 and raidou crush them all? I cant remember there’s 3rd assassin (pione friend)


      1. There were 3 of them, the same 3 girls that Tomoki offered in exchange for Tomoe. I checked chapters about Tomoki and one of his main party members is from lorel, her name is Yukinatsu, this girl should be Pione’s friend.

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      2. Weren’t those three all shadowless classes? Yukinatsu is a researcher and a Force player, a type of alchemist. I doubt Lily would change her class into an assassin type for no reason when there are a ton more others to choose from, like those with a clean slate or those already inheriting a class that could go to shadowless. I think the girl never got a name.
        There are actually two party members from Lorel, one of which is the dragon summoner Mora.


      3. I’m not surprised that their classes and personalities change once their minds get taken over, I mean, the person left behind can hardly be said to be the original person anymore.

        And was there any indication that the brainwashing can be reversed? Or was it assumed just because Makoto is ‘OPed’? I don’t recall any mention that it could be reversed, in fact, the alt universe Makoto killed off every one of Tomaki’s minions and mentioned that by then they were no longer anything more than puppets.

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    2. I don’t get why he just didn’t remove the mind control he can do it after all and freeing them would likely piss off tomiki or how ever his name is spelled lol

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      1. Makoto manage to remove the charm from Sofia because she was crazy strong and was able to some degree to resist it, she was exposed to the charm only once and that had happened recently, basically the same difference between a new drug user and a lifelong addicted, no matter what the later won’t be the same without taking into account permanent brain damage, he said that it was already too late, and in case you are wondering Mio saved Toa because that was a normal drug and Trashmoki´s charm is a power given by the goddess.

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      2. He could have dispelled the charm, but right now for him that’s bothersome.

        When he noticed the malice inside Tamaki, he himself acknowledged that he just wanna kill and kill some more. Right now his mind is going bananas and people still have to notice it.


      1. Based on Athena’s and the others’ comments, I feel that in terms of raw power, Makoto has long since surpassed Bug. The difference would be in experience and their repertoire of tricks.

        So it’s probably something like “It doesn’t matter how strong you are, if you can’t hit anything.”

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      2. @Kortodo Welp I don’t think there is a problem hitting anything is much of an issue since Makoto can cast the spell nuke arrow. Yup Makoto is just a giant walking NOFUKU to everyone in terms of war potential.

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      3. Considering the growth of Makoto’s power is literally exponential (doubles everytime he finishes his archery routine), combined with the fact that he has been contantly training, it’s a safe bet that Makoto is way past bug right now.
        As for Rokuya & co. I suspect they aren’t that far beyond a Supreme Dragon, and even then only as a group. Consider the fact that Ginebia was stretching herself to traverse a distance the Kuzunoha Company traversed lightly, the only reason they aren’t dead is because at least Makoto is rational

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      Well his raw magic reserve doubles, but that’s just a force multiplier. He needs to develop his skills. You aren’t going to beat a god with an elemental brid no mater how much mana you have, and his followers are still leagues beyond him in magic comprehension. Mio emulated a complex reflect spell, Tomo was shown to understand space-time magic that baffled Makoto and Shiki is Shiki. Hell, even Ema probably has better spellwork than Makoto.

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      1. That maybe be true but Raidou defies common sense like when he pulled that summoned guy out of the dimensional gate so can create a method to win just on instinct.


  1. Thanks for the chapter.

    It sounds like Rose Garden as a group is at odds with another group/individual in the dungeon labyrinth. So, it’d be nice if Raidou could have them either join His lands (either Asora or Kaleneon) or join what will end up being the new Tsige country.

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  2. Thanks for the chapter. When they keep referring the guild “Apple” in kind of reminds of the small guild “Golden Apple” from Sword Art Online. I read the story and said in it that they had the potential to become 1 of the Front line Guilds. But because of the murder of the leader the group disbanded. I wonder if there was some sort fall out story like some of the members in the “Apple”?


  3. I finally understand why I just love tsuki ga: the world fill alive. It’s not just the MCs and his surroundings, you feel the whole world moving. You feel the history of the world, the relations between people. It’s something that I find missing in a lot of story, especially in novels.

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  4. Lol 3 Vs Group Kuzonoha Company Makoto, Mio and Tomoe Vs People of the Apple group hahahhaha they were lucky Shiki the Lich King is not present but still they can’t win also they better dont make Makoto Mad once he gets mad well sorry for them.

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    1. Also what so wrong about retaliation against enemies who tries to kill you I also have principle like if you hit me 1st with intent to kill or not i will hit you more than u ever imagine. Also they where freaking Mind Control Assassin and they are late to act to cure her 1 of her friend its not Makoto Fault its Trashmoki!!!.

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      1. Makoto knew they were being mind controlled and knows how to dispel it but instead decided to kill them. It’s his damn fault.


  5. More of this “meh, I can take ’em” business, some people never learn. I seriously doubt, however powerful they are, the Apple folk are anywhere close to God-Killing. Supreme Dragon? Maybe, as a group, but Makoto is long past that.
    So your friend got killed attacking Makoto under brainwashing? Her fault for getting brainwashed in the first place. Not that trashmoki isn’t at fault (every problem in this world can be traced back to trashmoki, fact), but willingly associating with him is just asking for trouble.
    At least now it’s pretty clear that Bia and Haku are unrelated to trash, and it’s pretty sure that Apple at least can protect themselves (considering Rosegarden can erase the brainwashing with some effort); one less trash-related problem to worry about. I look forward to the point when trash finally dies, preferably as painfully and as prolonged as possible.

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      1. i doubt anyone voluntarily gets brainwashed. Not to mention that trash princess is pushing these girls towards him to satisfy his “need”. Not that I’m against a good, well written, run harem. It’s the brainwashing behind it.

        If anyone deserves the true scorn is the princess and Tomaki… direct the hare at them.

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      2. It is not her fault, but the empire’s princess order. For the to be brainwashed by a trash. So she should point that anger to the trash and trash maker(empire princess)


      3. Call it what it is : victim blaming, which is something they engaged in first (you killed my friend in self-defense! YOU MONSTER! WAAAAAAAHH).

        Because seriously, even if we trace the causality here :
        – Three Stooges got exposed to Moki’s charm without proper countermeasures, Moki’s fault for charming them, PRG’s fault for sending them without proper countermeasures. (this seriously should be two separate points, exposing themselves to the charm and not preparing proper countermeasures, but I’m feeling nice)
        – Three Stooges cared for by PRG, inadequately allowing them to escape for further faults, PRG’s fault again
        – Three Stooges tried to kill Makoto, got killed instead. Three Stooges’ fault, by extension PRG’s fault. Then let’s agree that killing is bad, so Makoto’s fault.

        Proceed to the “It’s your fault!” tally :
        – Makoto : 1
        – Moki : 2 (base 1, +1 for being Trashmoki)
        – PRG : 3
        Being more at fault than Trashmoki? For goddamn shame.


    1. It’s not their fault for getting charmed since none of them knows about it. The charmed women are the pitiful victims here. Tbh instead of Makoto killing Tomoki, I kinda want all the charmed women to be cured and then they all feel hatred against him and be the ones to deal with him however cruel and sadistic way they want.

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      1. U sure they would be cured? He already done that to the dragon slayer sofia but she denied the possibilities of being mind control and still revered trashmoki.
        So i think that once trap in that guy’s mind control, it’s the end.


      2. Them being cured is just my wish, who knows, they might find a way. As for Sofia, Makoto told her that she was charmed then she got angry and denied it. Then Makoto dispelled the charm and Sofia stopped talking about Tomoki.

        “Even when I dispelled the charm, it just made her not talk about the Empire hero anymore, but her personality didn’t change that much.” – from chapter 163


      3. as far as I can see how his eyes work is that it makes the target believe he is the definition of perfection (or something like that), everything he says is correct and makes them keep thinking about him all day. If the charm gets canceled, they will stop thinking as far as the charm goes, but what would happen if the person keeps thinking about a single person for years? That’s right, they’ll continue thinking about him. Kind of like brainwashing, keep repeating a statement over and over to people and they’ll start thinking it’s true. Or something like that. The only remedy for them is to remove the charm and to keep them away from Tomoki for a long long time and replace everything about tomoki in their brains with something else. Unless they have some sort of magic to remove memories, which is kind of a risk as well….

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    2. “So your friend got killed attacking Makoto under brainwashing? Her fault for getting brainwashed in the first place.”

      So if someone blows your head, it is your fault for not having a bulletproof skull? How much more stupid logic can get?


      1. that makes sense, but is it reasonable to be angry at only makoto. why would she not direct some of that anger to the one that hired them and to herself because she accepted it.

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      2. @fuji we don’t really know if she’s only angry at Makoto, if she is, then she’s a stupid bitch. Maybe Makoto is just one of her targets of revenge and since he’s nearby and actually going to meet them then he is the first one she’ll attack.

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    1. He knew they were being controlled and had the means to stop them without killing them, but still decided to kill them because yes. I’d say he was in the fucking wrong. Obviously.


  6. so will makoto meet rokuya again?
    if one attack with the intention of killing a target, one would have to be ready to be killed by the target. that’s just Makoto.
    What choice is there? It’s the same with a hunter trying to hunt a tiger/lion. If it failed, be ready to be killed by the tiger/lion.
    And i would say that’s “Pione” mistake for not even being able to keep her friends from running away. That “pione” know that her friends being brainwashed by Tomoki. She should have watch and guard her friend closely.
    I just hope that Pione wasn’t also being brainwashed by tomoki since the chances is very likely like her friend.
    A plot from tomoki.
    He could brainwash pione and her friend and then let them go back to the dungeon. Make it look like Pione brought her friend to release the brainwash.Then let her friend run away only to be killed by makoto.
    Thus Pione would have reason to make the dungeon people to take side with her to fight with Makoto.
    if not why so accidentally with the incoming plan of the makoto to the dungeon?

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  7. If it goes by the logic that Pione got angry because makoto killed her friend.
    Then the adventurer would long get angry because their friends / team died on the dungeon explorer.
    They got to blame the dungeon people for they are the architecture of the dungeon.
    But no, they worshiped the dungeon people instead like they are some kinda God.
    Doesn’t make sense.

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      1. It took about that long. I read kinda quickly tho. Been reading some chrome-translated web novels lately, so nicely-translated stories like this are a breeze in comparison.

        I wanted to know how Dragon Egg was doing. The hard part is that some chapters are long enough that google has an aneurysm and repeats a block of text over and over. Sometimes missing half of the text.

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  8. Makoto is not to blame you don’t try to kill someone if you aren’t yourself ready to be killed. They only care about the girl death because they knew her otherwise they wouldn’t care, they are hypocritical and selfish. The others could have been the ones who killed her and they wouldn’t have had the choice but they would be blamed. I said hyuman were trash because they always treat makoto like shit, the only one who didn’t do so was either because they owed him, or fear his power, outside of thisese situationsa don’t treat him with any respect.

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    1. It is indeed wrong for her to account Makoto responsable for defending himself, but when it comes to feelings, humans tend to be completely irrational about it, thats why sometimes when there is problems in the relationsship is more wise to receive an advise from someone outside of it that go with your emotions alone.


    1. the most i can think of is that they are like shiki. they have given up to be human and become immortal. the other one is they have something like cloning in the 20th floor, and their original body is already gone and there is something like a database that store their on it. well this is just my imagination going wild.


    2. spoilersan: they’re immortal. it has something to do with the creation of the adventurer’s guild and the bug has a hand in it?


      1. Root made the adventurer’s Guild, not the bug. The only thing the bug did was to authorize some things to Root, to give him the authority on certain aspects of the world for the creation of the guild system.


      2. as for the bug having something to do with the Apple group, that is a possibility. Not only does the group seems to predate the Adventurer’s Guild, but the members are seemingly immortal. They might be the people that Root(I think) mentioned to be the real strongest people on the Goddess side in this world.


  9. those job system, looks like Ragnarok online references, tho they were calles acolyte instead of ascetic practitioner in that game, everything else was pretty much the same as it mentioned above.

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  10. Whew, just finished binge reading this series from the start 3 days ago. Finally caught up and hungry for more!

    This arc seems to be mostly focused on the job system and the stats and skills the adventurer guild provides and its history. I wonder how Rokuya’s base stats are (level? skills? titles?) and if in a straightforward fight if he is stronger than Mio or Tomoe or if he only absurd in the infiltration/assassin department.

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  11. Lol friggin ragnarok online for real

    Acolyte > priest
    > monk(yes monk cant use sword

    Swordman> knight
    >crusader(they do force us to collect tons of shit for real.)

    Archer> supposedly hunter
    > dancer(or bard if male) is an alternative job a few years later, and no, they dont use bow anymore, they use whip


  12. It’s unfortunate but it seems the mercs have chosen the death card by choice of vengeance.
    *Puts hands together in prayer-* Wait

    “But I can somewhat tell, you know. That things will settle somewhat harmoniously.” (Rokuya)
    Please give Makoto to right a wrong by stripping Trashmoki of his glamour by means of spirit arrow striking the blessing attached to his soul, he’s already learned how to perceive and hit “weak points” and abilities with Sophia and the Door.

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    1. if Makoto does that, it would be awesome. Let’s think about it. Death wouldn’t be enough for Trashmoki. So instead, destroy the blessing of the goddess within him, thus his eye, immortality and all weapons compatibility powers being erased as well. Let’s see him stripped of his powers, and then faced with his own powerlessness. Let’s take away the charm of his followers, let’s have them torture him while Makoto and co maintain him alive. This sounds awesome.

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  13. Am I the only cofused about the “pure breed elf” thing? Did he mean Shii? Or was he talking about Shiki, since he mentions it when talking about mio and tomoe also?

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    1. yeah, he is talking about shii
      forest onis were initially elves, but they secluded themselves and started to drift away from the the normal elves, like they forsaken the ability to talk to plant. and got considered as another race
      Still surprising that they are considered “pure breed elf”

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      1. technically speaking, if they refused association with the goddess and her spirits, and instead worshiped dragons, then they are the last true Pure Breed Elves, since they haven’t been changed by the influence of the bug.
        Heck, maybe the talking to plants thing is due the relation between the other elves and spirits(which were created by the bug).


  14. This is shaping up to be a knock down, drag out fight.I feel really bad for RoseGarden, they listed off Kuzunoha people and equipment and still want to fight them? That’s just crazy! Who’s the pure bred elf? If he shoots an arrow charged up and decides to blow up the dungeon, it’s a wrap for that group and Immortality be damned.He doesn’t show his best image unless him or one of his followers get hurt or injured. Plus,with a little thought can’t they still access Asora and the people from there? That desert situation could be coming up.

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  15. ………………. Once again the story is leaning heavily towards themes I don’t like. This may even go beyond my dislike of tomoki, except worse, it sounds connected to him even if only as a spark.


  16. Makoto sure has bad luck. But, well…
    Makoto has the right to kill his assailant, but he has the choice and the power to just subdue them. He’s not blameless.
    Pione also has the right to hate Makoto. But to put all the blame on Makoto while the one who charm them is shitty hero and the one to let them escape are the Apple people, doesn’t sit right to me either.


  17. Weird, so does everyone know that Root is the creator of the adventure’s guild?

    Beacuse everyone just seemed to brush this fact like it’s a fly in the air…

    “…I see. Hearing that, it can serve as a decent explanation, and it would be pointless to hear all of it. But…it might be possible they used them as reference. The Adventurer Guild is not something that Root would be able to create from the memories of only one person after all. And it is not like he can do the same things as me anyways.” (Tomoe)

    Kind of confusing, at the same time infuriating…


  18. “With only the imitation of Reft’s reflect ability, Shiki and Tamaki are already in tears.”

    And Tomoe isn’t? Tamaki is supposed to be the strongest of the 4 after all.


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